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Main Area => General Discussion => Topic started by: hooter on July 10, 2016, 10:47:36 AM
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As much as I like to razz a few Harley Riders from time to time and I have to take a beating back, it's generally all in fun. This article isn't funny and I truly hate this is going on for an American Icon company.
http://www.bikebandit.com/blog/post/buyout-rumors-and-a-federal-investigation-are-more-bad-news-for-harley-davidson (http://www.bikebandit.com/blog/post/buyout-rumors-and-a-federal-investigation-are-more-bad-news-for-harley-davidson)
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They have certainly had their share of QC problems. I think they still have a good concept and are probably building the best bikes they ever have before but management has been unfocused and is trying to push out ideas that have not been thoroughly tested.
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As long as kooka nuts are willing to pay for untested good concepts, Harley will still be the top seller out there. ::) :violin:
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Well I have a 2012 and a 2004 so I'm good. That was a close one!!! :ohwow:
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Well I have a 2012 and a 2004 so I'm good. That was a close one!!! :ohwow:
I am way in the clear. Brembo's are working just fine.
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I just wish HD would come out with something totally new that would appeal to the rest of the motorcycling world. I know they tried with Aprilla and Buell but don't think they gave them a fair shot.Something on the order of a FJR But they still sell the majority of the big bikes sold in the U.S. Something on the order of the FJR or maybe even a duel sport. That 500 and 750 just don't get it. They must be listening to the Honda marketing people. Remember the new Valkerie, or the Rune.
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I would venture off to say that HD needs some type of Dual Sport. Hell.........throw in some good American built dirt bikes. Working on getting a scrambler of some sort. I know the Sportster is versatile but a lot of folks don't want versatile....they want already built. I don't think there is any one model now that is obsolete because there are still a lot of genre of folks that like every single one of those models but if they broadened their build scope they would get more folks.
With Flat track and hooligan racing making a huge comeback they would be idiots to not try and tap into that market again.
This all doesn't go without saying that first before any of the above can be successful they better get their QC up. I have been fortunate that I've only had to deal with two things that weren't that serious and luckily Republic HD hasn't hassled me about it either but damn in total HD needs to get their crap together.
BTW, I freaking love the new 2016 Sportster Roadster and I would have bought it already but I built that bike about 1 year before they released it. So I'm already one up on them.
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To be fair on the recall thing though....
I looked up 2011 Honda GL1800 and there is a brake issue and an electrical issue on some models. Toyota recalled about half a million models due to safety defects (my sister also had a motor replaced on a 2000 Sienna Van due to issues that did not generate a recall but they replaced it out of warranty). VW just got busted big time making their car "pollutiion compliant" by using computers to trick the inspection stations. The VTX is not without issues, there are several issues that I fixed on mine when I got it. My Nissan Titan (2004, first year) had a rear end replaced along with several other minor issues under "warranty" but it was really a recall later.
So...pretty much every brand will have some problems, it's the nature of manufacturing. Some have the processes down better than others but no matter how good the engineering and QC is, things can still happen. So far on my 2014 FLHX I have had only the rubber plunger in the clutch replaced a couple of times but never experienced any issues with it. I am a happy camper with the bike and it was barely more than a Boulevard M90 bagger and I got a stereo with mine.
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one thought I had was to redesign the V rod . Turn it into a Sport touring bike. More up right or feet back set up with removable panniers and top case. They have the engine. Geared correctly, I think it would make a nice ST or maybe something like the Ducati Multistrada. oh yeah give me a call HD.
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one thought I had was to redesign the V rod . Turn it into a Sport touring bike. More up right or feet back set up with removable panniers and top case. They have the engine. Geared correctly, I think it would make a nice ST or maybe something like the Ducati Multistrada. oh yeah give me a call HD.
I wondered why they didn't offer the VRod engine in the Ultra yet. I would have loved to have a SG with that motor.
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there you go, Maybe a smaller, sportier SG or RG. there is so much they could do with the V Rod rather than just an uncomfortable cruiser. I would definately give HD a look if they did something like that but they just don't offer anything currently that interests me.
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there you go, Maybe a smaller, sportier SG or RG. there is so much they could do with the V Rod rather than just an uncomfortable cruiser. I would definately give HD a look if they did something like that but they just don't offer anything currently that interests me.
Dang, guess you'll be trading in that wing for a Harley soon :stickpoke:
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You guys are missing the point... not every motorcycle rider will but an HD just because the offer the type of bike he happens to ride... I would not want an HD FJR or Concours, just like I would not want a Kawasaki bagger. A Chevy guy wont buy a Mustang.... is the same concept.
I had a few HD bikes and they were good. I'm not brand Loyal, but most HD folks are, when you buy a new HD they welcome you to the "Life style" and the HD family, Sport touring and dual sport is not part of that life style. If you want that, BMW may be the family you are looking to join.
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That's the point. Read the article on the TXR Facebook page. More and more younger people aren't buying into the old Harley culture . Harley priced them selves out of the reach of some of their loyal base customers. More and more people are like us. Don't care what you ride , just ride. Indian and Victory have made inroads into the big bagger market and others , like me, just aren't interested in the air cooled VTwin when there are better options and MC for other types of riding. HD appears to be in some trouble because they are hanging on to their culture. Anytime soon, doubt it .One thing we know is that the world changes. Gumbo, won't trade the wing on anything HD currently has to offer. Don't see them doing anything exciting anytime soon .
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That's the point. Read the article on the TXR Facebook page. More and more younger people aren't buying into the old Harley culture . Harley priced them selves out of the reach of some of their loyal base customers. More and more people are like us. Don't care what you ride , just ride. Indian and Victory have made inroads into the big nagger market and others , like me, just aren't interested in the air cooled VTwin when there are better options and MC for other types of riding. HD appears to be in some trouble because they are hanging on to their culture. Anytime soon, doubt it .One thing we know is that the world changes. Gumbo, won't trade the wing on anything HD currently has to offer. Don't see them doing anything exciting anytime soon .
WHACK!!! ;D
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I'll still ride a Harley....it will give me something to work on. :redcard:
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I'll still ride a Harley....it will give me something to work on. :redcard:
I have had fun with all the add-ons that are readily available. I just got s sweet new shift linkage new in the package for $50. :c
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I'm not knocking HD and they are not going anywhere. They still sell the majority of the big bikes sold in the US. If you like them , GREAT, they just don't offer anything that appeals to me. Like the saying goes, don't care what you ride, let's just ride. And right now I'm having a hard time finding time to do doing that. :banghead:
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there you go, Maybe a smaller, sportier SG or RG. there is so much they could do with the V Rod rather than just an uncomfortable cruiser. I would definately give HD a look if they did something like that but they just don't offer anything currently that interests me.
Dang, guess you'll be trading in that wing for a Harley soon :stickpoke:
did briefly flirt with the idea of swapping her for one of those new Honda Africa twins. Glad that passed.
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That's the point. Read the article on the TXR Facebook page. More and more younger people aren't buying into the old Harley culture . Harley priced them selves out of the reach of some of their loyal base customers. More and more people are like us. Don't care what you ride , just ride. Indian and Victory have made inroads into the big bagger market and others , like me, just aren't interested in the air cooled VTwin when there are better options and MC for other types of riding. HD appears to be in some trouble because they are hanging on to their culture. Anytime soon, doubt it .One thing we know is that the world changes. Gumbo, won't trade the wing on anything HD currently has to offer. Don't see them doing anything exciting anytime soon .
When I was in college, I wrote a research paper on motorcycle sales. At that time the worlds largest motorcycle manufactures was Honda (I'm sure that's still the case). Their best selling motorcycles were not big cruisers or the Goldwing or the ST. Nor was any of their sport bikes. It was the 500CC and under motorcycles that most of us would not even dare to be seen looking at. There are lots of lots of Sporters riding around, and now they have a 750cc and some other smaller CC bike with the HD logo. Coincidence? I don't think so. HD was mentioned on my research paper as well. Their #1 revenue was not motorcycle sales but clothing and all the BS they have with the HD logo. There is a reason a big part of the showroom is like a woman's clothing store.
HD don't care about Gumbo trading his Goldwing for an HD... Gumbo is probably on his last motorcycle any way... HD will go after the beginner rider by offering their small CC bikes.. Toyota did something similar by introducing the Scion line up for beginner drivers.
HD did a great job marketing to woman and they sell a bunch of bikes to them.
V twin engines are an old school design and does not appeal to everyone. I personally like them, but I know that a in line 4 cylinder a 6 cylinder bike is "better" and this is where most of you season rider say that HD does not offer anything you are looking for.
I think if they remove some of the bikes that don't sell well and limit the # of motorcycles they produce for some of the hot selling bikes, then they will be able to make a bigger profit.
not many left over 2002-2008 Hd's sat inside crates at dealers like the VTX 1800 did.
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that is still the case for Honda which is why I said HD still sells the most big bikes in the US.
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Paul---- when you said "With Flat track and hooligan racing making a huge comeback they would be idiots to not try and tap into that market again." That would be so kool to see again. I rode Truimph and BSA for years before turning to Honda. I rode flat track for a couple on my 650 Truimph Tiger and did good locally. Went to Oklahoma City several years on the mile track but after the first year of riding with these boys, I knew I was out classed so would just go to watch after that. We all love the sound of a good big bike when it's getting the throttle twisted an her ears are being pinned back and those races when the big boys came out of the turns, especially turn 4, man! I would love to see them make a come back, I'd go in a heart beat.
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Paul---- when you said "With Flat track and hooligan racing making a huge comeback they would be idiots to not try and tap into that market again." That would be so kool to see again. I rode Truimph and BSA for years before turning to Honda. I rode flat track for a couple on my 650 Truimph Tiger and did good locally. Went to Oklahoma City several years on the mile track but after the first year of riding with these boys, I knew I was out classed so would just go to watch after that. We all love the sound of a good big bike when it's getting the throttle twisted an her ears are being pinned back and those races when the big boys came out of the turns, especially turn 4, man! I would love to see them make a come back, I'd go in a heart beat.
Where is the LIKE button?? Yeah, I'll go with ya!