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Title: What is your opinion on Illegal Imigrants
Post by: bIgPrO on May 02, 2006, 08:23:41 AM
This is a hot topic and I see the Meet and Eat thread kinda went that direction for awhile. Lets hear what you have to say. I wrote this in the other thread.

There is a misconception out there that all illegals make under minimum wage. This is all BS. I am in that type of industry that supplies LEGAL workers and we have plenty of people that want to work. Alot falls on employers who want to hire that type of worker.

Just to let people know the average worker that is standing on the corning looking for work makes a minimum of $8 an hour and wants you to also provide lunch!
Title: Re: What is your opinion on Illegal Imigrants
Post by: PokerBum on May 02, 2006, 08:28:41 AM
Is that 8 bucks cash or is it taxed?
Title: Re: What is your opinion on Illegal Imigrants
Post by: bIgPrO on May 02, 2006, 08:34:42 AM
Is that 8 bucks cash or is it taxed?

Most of the time it is cash. >:(

Every worker we put out has workers comp insurance as well as all other taxes taken out. We als take out child support as well. Unfortunatley, most workers make arround minimum wage because employers want to be billed as little as possible. Unfortunate for the workers!
Title: Re: What is your opinion on Illegal Imigrants
Post by: Swampfox on May 02, 2006, 08:39:58 AM
Speak English. :P
Title: Re: What is your opinion on Illegal Imigrants
Post by: PokerBum on May 02, 2006, 08:49:21 AM
Let's see
The Mexican govt is giving them a reason to flee: poverty, corruption, etc
The American govt is giving them a reason to enter the country: insufficient border patrol, laxed law enforcement
American businesses are hiring them and saving them from paying taxes by paying cash
Free emergency medical treatment
and if the protests are successful, they will have the same RIGHTS as legal citizens.
They've even come up with a spanish version of the Star Spangled Banner ::)

Did I leave anything out?



Title: Re: What is your opinion on Illegal Imigrants
Post by: PokerBum on May 02, 2006, 09:06:32 AM
To much incentive to cheat America and not enough discipline on our part is what it boils down to. IMHO
Title: Re: What is your opinion on Illegal Imigrants
Post by: Swampfox on May 02, 2006, 09:11:52 AM
Illegal in the system and that's not fair to legal imigrants just ask one. :(
Title: Re: What is your opinion on Illegal Imigrants
Post by: pepsX on May 02, 2006, 09:13:38 AM
my oppinion
1) close the borders, and control them. no one in unless proper papers, but can let them all out
2) deport the 29% of all illegals from our prison population.
3) amend the 14th amendment to not give citizenship papers to newborns without at least one parent being legal.
4) stop giving free medical without citizenship proof.
5) stop giving drivers licence without proof of citizenship or proper papers
6) no home or car loans without citizenship or proper papers
7) make it easy to find out if they are a legal for the employer
8) make it hard on the emplyers who employ illeagals
9) beef up the INS to handle the load
10) give power to the police to hand them over to the INS if crime has been commited to deport them. if its a major crime, crank up ol' sparky in huntsville.
11) for the ones who have been here and have solid work records, no police records, and will denounce mexico, can speak english well enough to pass a simple test, speed up the process to make them citizens.
12) for the ones who have been trying to get leagal, see item 11
13) put a heavy tax on all money being sent out of country.
14) for the ones in item 11, after they become american citizens, do not let then just automaticlly bring in their familys without them going through the same process (no free passes for family)

just for a start anyway  ;)
Title: Re: What is your opinion on Illegal Imigrants
Post by: jmdaniel on May 02, 2006, 09:20:51 AM
Illegal in the system and that's not fair to legal imigrants just ask one. :(

You can ask my wife, who was granted her green card status on 4/20, after many months of wrangling with INS, and about $3500 total out of pocket expenses. She is here doing a job a lot of Americans don't want to do, (ER nurse), but you won't see her marching on the capitol. She kinda laughed yesterday, while getting ready for work, saying that she should stay home from work. I told her to really make a farce out of it, and counter-march in the parade, with a Canadian flag wrapped around her. She's here, and she's abiding by the rules of this country!!!!  >:(
Title: Re: What is your opinion on Illegal Imigrants
Post by: Davesax36 on May 02, 2006, 09:32:03 AM
well, Kim went to work yesterday, although she's gonna keep the nickname Outlaw Kim. She just spent the $3000 and a month out of work because her company didn't put her visa paperwork through. Now she's been approved for her visa and went back to work. having so many illegals out in the streets demanding rights is kinda funny to me as I've been involved in the difficult process that legals have to go through.  (oh, yeah, Kim's Canadian).  There was a thread about it on the R1 board and some guys just said round 'em up in buses (new and air conditioned of course), drive them all back to mexico and let the mexican government keep the buses as a gift.  The thing is..... they're not all from Mexico, although many in Texas are. If you're in a country illegally....wait ILLEGALLY.... oh, I get it. I'm already breaking the law, so I should go out in public and demand to have extra stuff.  Try that in Russia, or Norway, England, or freakin' Brazil. You'll get arrested and thrown out of the country, and not in a very nice way. Other countries have citizens that have learned to carry papers and be able to provide them. Ever travel in Europe?  I think the whole protest thing is stupid. It didn't help anybody, especially the legal ones. Laws are great, but they only really keep honest people honest.


Sorry this was so long. I get a little wound up over this stuff now that it's affected someone I care about.
Title: Re: What is your opinion on Illegal Imigrants
Post by: pepsX on May 02, 2006, 09:41:27 AM
i would love to see a list of buisnesses that were closed yesterday, they wont ever see my face or $$ again. no more Tyson chicken for me...ever!
Title: Re: What is your opinion on Illegal Imigrants
Post by: snake on May 02, 2006, 09:47:05 AM
Have all interested mexicans SIGN UP in mexico to request admittance for any purpose (work, travel, visits with naturalized relatives.) OOPS. I thought that was already the law. Give NO concessions to the illegals already here...make them go back and get a new "blue" card that will be the only acceptable "work" cards once we have all the legal immigrants change over to them. JAIL TIME for any employer knowingly hiring undocumented workers, not a fine they sneeze at. A identification tatoo put on any illegal still stateside after the return to mexico deadline, which will bar him from re-entry. The gainfully employed illegal mexicans already here can be "sponsored" by their employer, and apply for a blue card in place. Those same employers given amnesty for past usage of illegals, only if they now ensure the illegals are now in the process of obtaining documentation.
Title: Re: What is your opinion on Illegal Imigrants
Post by: jmdaniel on May 02, 2006, 09:50:31 AM
i would love to see a list of buisnesses that were closed yesterday, they wont ever see my face or $$ again. no more Tyson chicken for me...ever!

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Title: Re: What is your opinion on Illegal Imigrants
Post by: RD on May 02, 2006, 11:27:00 AM
i would love to see a list of buisnesses that were closed yesterday, they wont ever see my face or $$ again. no more Tyson chicken for me...ever!

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Title: Re: What is your opinion on Illegal Imigrants
Post by: texasmetalwerks on May 02, 2006, 12:25:50 PM
Just like riding a bike with no insurance. It's illeagal!
Title: Re: What is your opinion on Illegal Imigrants
Post by: Tinman on May 02, 2006, 12:56:58 PM
Elaina's in Beaumont was closed yesterday.  :P Guess I am done there. Wait the smoking ban will make it ok because  until the ban is lifted the Mexicans and other illegals can have Jefferson County after Sept. 1st. >:(
Title: Re: What is your opinion on Illegal Imigrants
Post by: Dusty on May 02, 2006, 01:11:08 PM
Elaina's in Beaumont was closed yesterday.  :P Guess I am done there. Wait the smoking ban will make it ok because  until the ban is lifted the Mexicans and other illegals can have Jefferson County after Sept. 1st. >:(

Alcapoco's (or however you spell it) was open.

The smoking ban was voted on only by the Bmt. city council. Not all of Jefferson Co. Besides, I bet it will never go into effect. It will stayed tied up in court until the city decides they don't want to spend any more money on it, which won't take long.
Title: Re: What is your opinion on Illegal Imigrants
Post by: pepsX on May 02, 2006, 01:14:52 PM
I dont think it is enough to just stop going to the places we used to go, we need to let them know we wont be comming back and why.  ;)
Title: Re: What is your opinion on Illegal Imigrants
Post by: jwalker on May 02, 2006, 01:22:22 PM
I have a BIG problem with Illegal Imigrants using our social system and not paying taxes. There are a lot of hospitals that are closing their emergency room because they can't get paid, school systems that are over loaded and the only taxes they go after is yours. I also have a bigger problem with a pregant imigrant coming across the border and having her baby and it being granted American citizenship automatically.
If they pay there way, it's not so bad. But when you have to pay for their school, medical and welfare, it gets overwhelming.
Title: Re: What is your opinion on Illegal Imigrants
Post by: Chad on May 02, 2006, 01:43:18 PM
No comment!! :-X
I might get in trouble
Title: Re: What is your opinion on Illegal Imigrants
Post by: hipshot on May 02, 2006, 02:18:11 PM
I was going to stay out of this, but consider:

A sniper with BoTac just advised that a group of "little sheet heads" was apprehended crossing into the US from Mexico (again). It's being kept quiet; they won't even release the numbers, much less identities. There are some interesting aspects  of this particular incident involving the Mexican authorities that I can't go into; but I can assure you it scares me.

I think that some PC people had better pull their heads out of their posterior extremities soon. Real soon.

Title: Re: What is your opinion on Illegal Imigrants
Post by: Hunter on May 02, 2006, 02:24:13 PM
Too deep 4 me :-X :-X :-X
Title: Re: What is your opinion on Illegal Imigrants
Post by: pepsX on May 02, 2006, 02:30:08 PM
I was going to stay out of this, but consider:

A sniper with BoTac just advised that a group of "little sheet heads" was apprehended crossing into the US from Mexico (again). It's being kept quiet; they won't even release the numbers, much less identities. There are some interesting aspects  of this particular incident involving the Mexican authorities that I can't go into; but I can assure you it scares me.

I think that some PC people had better pull their heads out of their posterior extremities soon. Real soon.



guess i better read up on police lingo so as i can understand what your telling me
Title: Re: What is your opinion on Illegal Imigrants
Post by: hipshot on May 02, 2006, 03:29:43 PM
BoTac is Border Patrol Tactical Team. PC is politically correct, a common term in contemporary society.
Title: Re: What is your opinion on Illegal Imigrants
Post by: RocknRoll on May 02, 2006, 03:32:54 PM
And Sheet Head does not mean a Klan member.  But they can be considered a target of opportunity.
Title: Re: What is your opinion on Illegal Imigrants
Post by: hipshot on May 02, 2006, 03:42:54 PM
Since calling them ragheads is no longer socially acceptable, we need to find an alternative to this derogatory term. Having been informed that the rags on their heads are actually small sheets, we may refer to these persons as "little sheet heads", secure in the knowledge that we will not offend any sensitive terrorists. This is a fine example illustrating "PC".
Title: Re: What is your opinion on Illegal Imigrants
Post by: VTeXan on May 02, 2006, 04:42:47 PM
Just a little clarification.  While I'm strongly opposed to offering amnesty for anyone not respecting our laws...  Many of the illegals pay FICA, SSI and the other income taxes most of us pay.  Granted most claim the max dependants to avoid as much income deduction as possible.  They get fake green card and SS cards but never make a draws on the plan since the SS acounts are based on fake numbers.  They do alot to prop up SS.  That's not to say that the there is a positive net effect from the income contributions vs the other social services that are used.  It just means that not all are beating out all taxes.  This of course doesn't apply day laborers, but most of those guys won't take a full time job, prefering instead to wait for some old lady paying a hundy for five hours worth of work and lunch.

Brian
Title: Re: What is your opinion on Illegal Imigrants
Post by: bIgPrO on May 02, 2006, 05:37:58 PM
Illegal in the system and that's not fair to legal imigrants just ask one. :(

You can ask my wife, who was granted her green card status on 4/20, after many months of wrangling with INS, and about $3500 total out of pocket expenses. She is here doing a job a lot of Americans don't want to do, (ER nurse), but you won't see her marching on the capitol. She kinda laughed yesterday, while getting ready for work, saying that she should stay home from work. I told her to really make a farce out of it, and counter-march in the parade, with a Canadian flag wrapped around her. She's here, and she's abiding by the rules of this country!!!!  >:(


My sister is a nurse(RN) as well. Actually alot of Americans want that job. The problem is we can't keep up with the need. Giving away to many freebies..

WE R BEING WATCHED  >:( >:( >:(

Title: Re: What is your opinion on Illegal Imigrants
Post by: brentos on May 02, 2006, 05:55:06 PM
Much of the news media and participants were referring to yesterday's demonstrations as boycotts. A true boycott - by definition would be longer than 1 day - lets say weeks, months or even a year. So, If the demonstrators want to really make an impact they should refuse to go to work or spend money in the USA for at least a year. The only truly effective way to make their point would be to leave the country, thereby not accidentally contributing to or detracting from the economy. Then we could see the real effect of their absence.

Therefore, I would like to be the first to call upon these demonstrators to begin a comprehensive boycott of the USA. Upon instituting this policy, they will have my full support.  ;)
 
Title: Re: What is your opinion on Illegal Imigrants
Post by: cyberchick on May 02, 2006, 05:57:43 PM
My sister is a nurse(RN) as well. Actually alot of Americans want that job. The problem is we can't keep up with the need. Giving away to many freebies..

WE R BEING WATCHED  >:( >:( >:(

And the nursing shortage is on the decline as well. Particularly in this area but all over the country as well. (this area b/c of the evacuees we took in. As a new grad doing job hunting the majority of our class has a harder time find a job than previous graduates - and many were told that not as many jobs available since Katrina.) there ARE jobs but not as many. A good sign for the shortage!
Title: Re: What is your opinion on Illegal Imigrants
Post by: k9paws on May 02, 2006, 07:56:51 PM
If they come in legally, learn the speak English and when they take the citizen test it is in English I support them for wanting to make a better life for themselves. If not they are criminals. My wife if from the Philippines and when she took her citizens test she was told she had to read, write and speak English and pass a U.S. History test in order to get her citizenship. For her it was no problem she could already read, write and speak English. The history questions which she passed had some I could not remember the answer to.
Title: Re: What is your opinion on Illegal Imigrants
Post by: ConnRadd on May 02, 2006, 08:32:18 PM
Much of the news media and participants were referring to yesterday's demonstrations as boycotts. A true boycott - by definition would be longer than 1 day - lets say weeks, months or even a year. So, If the demonstrators want to really make an impact they should refuse to go to work or spend money in the USA for at least a year. The only truly effective way to make their point would be to leave the country, thereby not accidentally contributing to or detracting from the economy. Then we could see the real effect of their absence.

Therefore, I would like to be the first to call upon these demonstrators to begin a comprehensive boycott of the USA. Upon instituting this policy, they will have my full support.  ;)
 

You won't see a true "boycott", due to: they need to send billions of dollars back to their family in Mexico.

My thoughts on this are; as I would prefer all the Illegal Immigrants to be sent back, we need cheap labor to compete in the world market. As for a work program, I can go for that; but would need a strict program that the employers would be liable for.

Since the Illegal Immigrants want to come to America to build a better life and large companies “require” cheap labor. I feel that companies should be responsible for them.

Case-in-point:
 The employer (since they are the ones wanting / "needing" them) would be responsible for:
1. Pay for their paperwork for a 6 month "work visa". Which, the employers are required to perform background checks for criminal and medical (they need their shots so the diseases we've worked so hard to get rid of don't come back) and make sure they were not here 5 years ago for criminal offense and never showed up for court, etc…
2. Provide a work safe environment (they are humans)
3. Pay at least minimum wage and make sure that their taxes are being withheld.
4. Once the 6 month Work Visa has expired, the employer has the option to keep the employee or must provide transportation back to Mexico. The employee must have a clean criminal record; if the employer decides to keep the employee, the employer needs to file a 1 year work visa for the employee.
5. After the 1 year work visa is completed, the employer wishes to keep the employee can re-file for another 1 year work visa, then the employer must assist the employee on the proper procedures on becoming a US Citizen.

If the Employer defaults on this program and/or not follow the guide lines, they are subject to hefty fines.

At any given time, if the employee defaults on the visa work program, they are automatically a criminal and either has the choice of going back to Mexico, unless they created a felony crime, they go to jail and pay fines. By defaulting, this means, not following the laws of America, not going to work, not having proper medical shots for diseases, and/or not learning ENGLISH.

As well, need to create work visa identification, which is not a driver’s license, but to show proof they are here legally with the work program. This Work Visa ID will provide not only their place of residence, picture and basic description, but their medical background, criminal background, and place of employment.
Title: Re: What is your opinion on Illegal Imigrants
Post by: Philanderer on May 02, 2006, 09:24:16 PM
Illegal in the system and that's not fair to legal imigrants just ask one. :(

You can ask my wife, who was granted her green card status on 4/20, after many months of wrangling with INS, and about $3500 total out of pocket expenses. She is here doing a job a lot of Americans don't want to do, (ER nurse), but you won't see her marching on the capitol. She kinda laughed yesterday, while getting ready for work, saying that she should stay home from work. I told her to really make a farce out of it, and counter-march in the parade, with a Canadian flag wrapped around her. She's here, and she's abiding by the rules of this country!!!!  >:(

Did you use an attorney?
Title: Re: What is your opinion on Illegal Imigrants
Post by: cantex on May 02, 2006, 09:39:03 PM
I think the plan is, while you're all watching the Southern Borders,
we come in from the North.  :o
Title: Re: What is your opinion on Illegal Imigrants
Post by: txgaboy on May 02, 2006, 10:32:08 PM
Once a person crosses the border they are immediatly given/granted the rights off all citizens.  That is wrong..... They don't have to learn the language/history/affirm to one citizenship(america), but yet they get all the medical help they cannot get in Mexico.    Who pays for this?  They do not pay social security taxes, income, state, what a hell of a ride.  so what they shack up two/three families in an apartment, beats cardboard in Juarez, it makes me sick.......I have has to pay 6 thousand extra in income taxes the last 6 years.......bite me.......
Title: Re: What is your opinion on Illegal Imigrants
Post by: jmdaniel on May 03, 2006, 04:45:05 AM

Did you use an attorney?

Yes, the company I work for employs engineers from other countries, so has an immigration attorney in Houston set up. It's not necessary, but our hearing took about 5 minutes, because all of her paperwork was there. And because I ride an X....  ;D 
Title: Re: What is your opinion on Illegal Imigrants
Post by: reval on May 03, 2006, 06:50:44 AM
just make em pay taxes and for there hosp. needs.  other then that, keep making those wonderfull breakfast taco's you can only find in some whole in the wall location. mmmmm taco's.
Title: Re: What is your opinion on Illegal Imigrants
Post by: Philanderer on May 03, 2006, 12:45:00 PM

Did you use an attorney?

Yes, the company I work for employs engineers from other countries, so has an immigration attorney in Houston set up. It's not necessary, but our hearing took about 5 minutes, because all of her paperwork was there. And because I ride an X....  ;D 

I ask because I hear all these tearful stories of how much it cost to be here legaly. Two of the guys that work here did it all themselves and it cost a grand total of, get ready.......$180.00. The people that have spent thousands used attorneys. I guess it is good for the attorneys though. It takes very little to be here legally. Believe the hype or learn the facts. Cost too much to be legal is not an excuse for criminal behavior. One of the employees here got a raise and is upset because now he makes to much for to get medicade for his family. As he put it, "I got more money in my pocket when I make a less paycheck because of the doctors is free before."  Well said. That is incentive to cheat the system, welfare pays better than working. Now he is asking for a smaller paycheck and cash to make the difference so he can still get the medicade.
Title: Re: What is your opinion on Illegal Imigrants
Post by: jmdaniel on May 03, 2006, 02:15:04 PM
I ask because I hear all these tearful stories of how much it cost to be here legaly. Two of the guys that work here did it all themselves and it cost a grand total of, get ready.......$180.00. The people that have spent thousands used attorneys. I guess it is good for the attorneys though. It takes very little to be here legally. Believe the hype or learn the facts. Cost too much to be legal is not an excuse for criminal behavior.


aaahhh... but the catch is the guys doing it for $180 were here legally, right? My point is not what it costs, because if it had been my money, I would not have hired an attorney. My point, rather, is that the low cost only works if you are here legally. If not, get the f**k out of here! I agree with you, the cost is not a valid excuse. It simply masks illegality....
Title: Re: What is your opinion on Illegal Imigrants
Post by: Philanderer on May 03, 2006, 03:59:27 PM
I ask because I hear all these tearful stories of how much it cost to be here legaly. Two of the guys that work here did it all themselves and it cost a grand total of, get ready.......$180.00. The people that have spent thousands used attorneys. I guess it is good for the attorneys though. It takes very little to be here legally. Believe the hype or learn the facts. Cost too much to be legal is not an excuse for criminal behavior.


aaahhh... but the catch is the guys doing it for $180 were here legally, right? My point is not what it costs, because if it had been my money, I would not have hired an attorney. My point, rather, is that the low cost only works if you are here legally. If not, get the f**k out of here! I agree with you, the cost is not a valid excuse. It simply masks illegality....

They actually came her illegally then became legal later. I hear stories about how much it cost all hte time. I have only seen it done twice and it was cheap compared to the numbers I have heard.
Title: Re: What is your opinion on Illegal Imigrants
Post by: Philanderer on May 03, 2006, 04:01:16 PM
What do a 350 pound woman and a brick have in common?  When they get laid it is going to be done by a Mexican. ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: What is your opinion on Illegal Imigrants
Post by: KEBS on May 03, 2006, 09:55:29 PM
 ;D ;D ;D Sad but so true!!  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: What is your opinion on Illegal Imigrants
Post by: thriftmaster on May 04, 2006, 12:48:05 PM
I think illegal imigrants would be just fine if they just weren't "illegal".
As a matter of fact, I think I like them more than I like the politicians that have allowed this to happen for all of these years.
If you do the crime, you do the time (but do it in your own country).
Title: Re: What is your opinion on Illegal Imigrants
Post by: VT-XS on May 05, 2006, 06:21:53 AM
In the United States there is a great deal of corruption. In Mexico corruption is the way that things are done. Always has been, always will be. Pretty well true of any country South of the Rio Grande to Antartica. One of the 3,4 or 5 most corrupt legal systems in the United States is Hidalgo County (Brownsville). It is a joke and a nightmare. It is a field day for Plaintiff's attorneys particularly if you are from that area.

As the influence of these illegals and their Mexican culture spreads, so will this type and degree of corruption. If left unchecked,  one day, not that distant, we will find ourselves just having to give in to it and it will be our culture.
I don't have any kids, but if you consider yourself fully American, this won' be much to leave for your kids to live in and Texas is targeted for cultural takeover by "La Reconquista." (read a book by Jorge Ramos, his term not mine)

I am not in favor of amnesty or voting rights or access to US resources for these illegals. If they are sponsored by companies, a worker visa is fine....and as long as they are legal and paying taxes, access to resources that other citizens enjoy aftter some period of time. But I think that they should remain guests in this country for as long as they are here and the road to citizenship should not be open to anyone that trespassed across the border while others waited and did it the right way.

...and I don't hate Mexico for anyone ready to throw bigot at me. Corruption is just the way it is there. And if you don't believe me ask a Mexican National.
Title: Re: What is your opinion on Illegal Imigrants
Post by: RocknRoll on May 05, 2006, 08:24:42 AM
Someone sent me this.  It is supposedly from the L.A Times

40% of all workers in L.A. County (L.A. County has 10 million people) are working for cash and not paying taxes. This was because they are predominantly illegal immigrants, working without a green card.

95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens.

75% of people on the most wanted list in Los Angeles are illegal  aliens.

Over 2/3's of all births in Los Angeles County are to illegal alien on Medi-Cal whose births were paid for by taxpayers.

Nearly 25% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally.

Over 300,000 illegal aliens in Los Angeles County are living in garages.

The FBI reports half of all gang members in Los Angeles are most likely illegal aliens from south of the border.

Nearly 60% of all occupants of HUD properties are illegal.

In L. A. County 5.1 million people speak English. 3.9 million speak Spanish (10.2 million people in L. A. County).

Less than 2% of illegal aliens are picking our crops but 29% are on welfare.

Over 70% of the United States annual population growth (and over 90% of California, Florida, and New York) results from immigration

The cost of immigration to the American taxpayer in 1997 was a NET cost of (after subtracting taxes immigrants pay) $70 BILLION a year, [Professor  Donald Huddle, Rice University].

The lifetime fiscal impact (taxes paid minus services used) for the average adult Mexican immigrant is a NEGATIVE

29% of inmates in federal prisons are illegal aliens.

Title: Re: What is your opinion on Illegal Imigrants
Post by: bIgPrO on May 05, 2006, 08:34:57 AM
I read that same article..
Title: Re: What is your opinion on Illegal Imigrants
Post by: VT-XS on May 05, 2006, 10:13:02 AM
Someone sent me this.  It is supposedly from the L.A Times

40% of all workers in L.A. County (L.A. County has 10 million people) are working for cash and not paying taxes. This was because they are predominantly illegal immigrants, working without a green card.

95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens.

75% of people on the most wanted list in Los Angeles are illegal  aliens.

Over 2/3's of all births in Los Angeles County are to illegal alien on Medi-Cal whose births were paid for by taxpayers.

Nearly 25% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally.

Over 300,000 illegal aliens in Los Angeles County are living in garages.

The FBI reports half of all gang members in Los Angeles are most likely illegal aliens from south of the border.

Nearly 60% of all occupants of HUD properties are illegal.

In L. A. County 5.1 million people speak English. 3.9 million speak Spanish (10.2 million people in L. A. County).

Less than 2% of illegal aliens are picking our crops but 29% are on welfare.

Over 70% of the United States annual population growth (and over 90% of California, Florida, and New York) results from immigration

The cost of immigration to the American taxpayer in 1997 was a NET cost of (after subtracting taxes immigrants pay) $70 BILLION a year, [Professor  Donald Huddle, Rice University].

The lifetime fiscal impact (taxes paid minus services used) for the average adult Mexican immigrant is a NEGATIVE

29% of inmates in federal prisons are illegal aliens.




The signs saying that "we are not criminals" unfortunately are not entirely true. There are many criminals amongst the illegals. The wholesale theft rings in construction these days are mostly hispanic and mostly illegal. I have to live with that raw fact.

There was a group that pulled up to one of my sites in the middle of the afternoon and stole sheetrock out of a garage while no one was around. They chatted with the workers on the neighboring job and had small children with them who played while they stole.

I am sure that they were all out there last Monday.
Title: Re: What is your opinion on Illegal Imigrants
Post by: VTXDEMON on May 05, 2006, 04:16:16 PM
 ::) ::)
Title: Re: What is your opinion on Illegal Imigrants
Post by: VT-XS on May 06, 2006, 05:27:26 AM
FYI - Article from Newspaper

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/3844575.html
Title: Re: What is your opinion on Illegal Imigrants
Post by: Davesax36 on May 06, 2006, 10:36:15 AM
that lady's cool
Title: Re: What is your opinion on Illegal Imigrants
Post by: VT-XS on May 07, 2006, 06:38:12 AM
FYI - CNN article by Lou Dobbs

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/05/01/dobbs.immigrantprotests/
Title: Re: What is your opinion on Illegal Imigrants
Post by: evilashx on May 07, 2006, 08:31:04 AM
I'm by no means a Rush Limbaugh fan but I came across this and thought it was very interesting. Here is a quote from his show. Be sure to read it all especially the last part....

Today (Friday, 7 April 2006) I read through the “Limbaugh Laws” for immigration. The following is excerpted from Rush’s transcript quote: “All right, immigration proposals under discussion. Let me add mine to the mix. I want to call this proposal the Limbaugh Laws. …First, if you immigrate to the United States of America, you must speak the native language. You have to be a professional or an investor. [America is] not going to take unskilled workers…There will be no special bilingual programs in the schools, no special ballots for elections, no government business will be conducted in your native language. Foreigners will not have the right to vote…nor will they ever be allowed to hold political office. According to the Limbaugh Laws, if you're in our country, you cannot be a burden to taxpayers. You are not entitled, ever, to welfare, to food stamps, or other government goodies. You can come if you invest here, but it must be an amount equal to 40,000 times the daily minimum wage. If you don't know have that amount of money, you can't come and invest. You have to stay home. If you do come and you want to buy land, okay, but we're going to restrict your options. You will not be allowed to buy waterfront property in the United States. That will be reserved for citizens naturally born in this country.”

“In fact, as a foreigner, you must relinquish individual rights to property… Another thing. You don't have the right to protest when you come here. You're allowed no demonstrations, you cannot wave a foreign flag, no political organizing, no bad-mouthing our president or his policies, or you get sent home. You're a foreigner. You shut your mouth or you get out, and if you come here illegally, you go straight to jail and we're going to hunt you down 'til we find you.”

 “I can imagine many of you think that the Limbaugh Laws are pretty harsh. I imagine today some of you probably are going, "Yeah! Yeah!" Well, let me tell you this, folks. Every one of the laws I just mentioned are actual laws of Mexico, today. I just read you Mexican immigration law. That's how the Mexican government handles immigrants to their country.”
Title: Re: What is your opinion on Illegal Imigrants
Post by: Swampfox on May 08, 2006, 02:49:15 PM
When does coffee taste like dog poop?

When Illegal Immigrants pick the beans.

opinion on "Illegal" Immigrants

I think legal Immigrants are more likely to stop and give their helping hand.  I know this first hand when I bounded my boat off the trailer three Mexicans and one English guy stop to help me.   
        The white people gave me they middle finger, true story happen on Labor Day.
Title: Re: What is your opinion on Illegal Imigrants
Post by: pacrat on May 08, 2006, 04:10:58 PM
keyword here is illegal.  does not matter if they pay taxes, nor ever use our healthcare system, etc.
keyword still illegal.
Title: Re: What is your opinion on Illegal Imigrants
Post by: UncleMike on May 09, 2006, 07:46:24 PM
Quote
keyword here is illegal.  does not matter if they pay taxes, nor ever use our healthcare system, etc.
keyword still illegal.

I have to agree with pacrat's logic here.
Title: Re: What is your opinion on Illegal Imigrants
Post by: VT-XS on May 10, 2006, 05:59:16 AM
http://www.dailybulletin.com/news/ci_3799653
Title: Re: What is your opinion on Illegal Imigrants
Post by: pepsX on May 10, 2006, 06:06:19 AM
http://www.dailybulletin.com/news/ci_3799653


 ::) dont want to cut off that drug money going to our gov'ment  ::)
Title: Re: What is your opinion on Illegal Imigrants
Post by: vtxcrzr on May 13, 2006, 11:03:37 AM
I bet Native Americans would have had this same thread if they had the Internet in 1492.
Title: Re: What is your opinion on Illegal Imigrants
Post by: Swampfox on May 14, 2006, 01:21:46 AM
Open season save the toe jam.
Title: Re: What is your opinion on Illegal Imigrants
Post by: RocknRoll on May 15, 2006, 09:17:43 AM
I bet Native Americans would have had this same thread if they had the Internet in 1492.

Hey - they walked over on the land bridge.  Soooo - at what point does someone stop being an immigrant?
Title: Re: What is your opinion on Illegal Imigrants
Post by: pepsX on May 15, 2006, 09:37:06 AM
I bet Native Americans would have had this same thread if they had the Internet in 1492.

Hey - they walked over on the land bridge.  Soooo - at what point does someone stop being an immigrant?
when they walk back over the boarder  ;)
Title: Re: What is your opinion on Illegal Imigrants
Post by: Swampfox on May 15, 2006, 10:30:22 AM
When they start singing in English "I want to be a Cowboy from X-Texas" ..... 8)
Title: Re: What is your opinion on Illegal Imigrants
Post by: VT-XS on May 15, 2006, 10:31:30 AM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/14/AR2006051400773_pf.html
Title: Re: What is your opinion on Illegal Imigrants
Post by: Baren on May 15, 2006, 10:33:05 PM
I have heard that the illegals all had jobs in Mexico but they quit them and came here.They heard the stupid Americans will pay for everything....
Title: Re: What is your opinion on Illegal Imigrants
Post by: Swampfox on May 15, 2006, 10:35:51 PM
Baren you right on that buddy.!!! :)

I have heard that the illegals all had jobs in Mexico but they quit them and came here.They heard the stupid Americans will pay for everything....

 Its true ! I speak to only mexicans at my job ! lol

 The legals do not like the illegals.The legal mexicans started a colition called ( YOU DONT SPEAK FOR ME ) and in washington now ,Thats why BUSH has to do something.
Title: Re: What is your opinion on Illegal Imigrants
Post by: Maw Maw on May 16, 2006, 06:55:07 AM
 Illegal Immigrants Poem
 
 
      I cross border, poor and broke,
      Take bus, see employment folk.
      Nice man treat me good in there,
      Say I need to see welfare.
      Welfare say, "You come no more,
      We send cash right to your door."
      Welfare checks, they make you wealthy,
      Medicaid it keep you healthy!
 
      By and by, I got plenty money,
      Thanks to you, American dummy.
      Write to friends in motherland,
      Tell them 'come fast as you can.'
      They come walking, in vans and Ford trucks,
      I buy big house with welfare bucks
      They come here, we live together,
      More welfare checks, it gets better!
      Fourteen families, they moving in,
      But neighbor's patience wearing thin.
      Finally, American moves away,
      Now I buy his house, and then I say,
      "Find more aliens for house to rent."
      And in the yard I put a tent.
      Send for family they just trash,
      But they, too, draw the welfare cash!
      Everything is very good,
      And soon we own the neighborhood.
      We have hobby it's called breeding,
      Welfare pay for baby feeding.
      Kids need dentist?  Wife need pills?
      We get free!  We got no bills!
      American crazy!  He pay all year,
      To keep welfare running here.
      We think America darn good place!
      Too darn good for  the American Race.
      If they no like us,  they can go,
      Got lots of room in MEXICO.
 
      SEND THIS TO
      EVERY AMERICAN
      TAXPAYER YOU KNOW
      WAKE UP AMERICANS!!!

Title: Re: What is your opinion on Illegal Imigrants
Post by: bIgPrO on May 16, 2006, 06:59:44 AM
Channel 13 at 10 p.m. is doing a thing tonight on illegal day laborers. On some of the blips of heard alot of it is BS. Remember these people work this way because they chose.
Title: Re: What is your opinion on Illegal Imigrants
Post by: VT-XS on May 16, 2006, 07:15:53 AM
In the upcoming weeks the Congress and Senate will be trying to form a law. The illegals, and many of the illegals that the US was gracious enough to grant immunity to a generation ago and many of their children will be trying to intimidate the law makers into drafting something ambiguous and easily disregarded and unenforceable...as they did a couple of Mondays ago...so that they can continue to trespass our borders.

Let your congressman and any other that you have time to contact know that you are here and what you think. Let them know that the way they vote on this issue will be the only thing that matters to you the next time they run.

My personal opinion regarding amnesty.

Work visas are fine and I think could be granted to anyone that has an employer to vouch for them (this gets complicated in the construction industry where illegals are often gainfully employed by illegals), but only people that enter the country legally should be entitled to citizenship, or it's just a green light for others down the road as it has been for thirty years. Deportation is impractical, but if you're not here legally and you have no employer willing to vouch for you and you are caught breaking any law then you return home.

One paradox for me about that...If you're in the streets of the US enthusiastically waving Mexican flags and chanting Viva Mexico and what not, what could be so bad about going back there?

Decide clearly what you think and let the representatives know.

The economy won't offer work forever and when it slows down again, crime and drain on resources will be increase at a time when revenue falls off.
Title: Re: What is your opinion on Illegal Imigrants
Post by: VT-XS on May 16, 2006, 10:20:29 AM
http://www.drudgereport.com/flash5wh.htm
Title: Re: What is your opinion on Illegal Imigrants
Post by: twistedrcpilot on May 16, 2006, 11:14:21 AM
I say lets just take over mexico, make them all work and all pay taxes.  Then maybe we could handle the border between mexico and central america.
Title: Re: What is your opinion on Illegal Imigrants
Post by: VT-XS on May 16, 2006, 12:23:04 PM
I say lets just take over mexico, make them all work and all pay taxes.  Then maybe we could handle the border between mexico and central america.

In 1848 the United States had that option. They waged a war against Mexico and occupied Mexico City. All the West Point grads that would be made famous later by the Civil War later, Grant, Lee, Jefferson Davis etc fought. They decided that trying to own Mexico was a bad idea then and I think that it still is. What the US kept was New Mexico,Arizona, California, Utah, Nevada. One of the overt goals of "La Reconquista" is to take it all back through the non military invasion that is going on now.

And the plan and invasion is going well;

1) trespass into the country
2) force an  amnesty
3) obtain citizenship and the right to vote
4) vote yourself a country  :(
Title: Re: What is your opinion on Illegal Imigrants
Post by: pepsX on May 16, 2006, 12:46:55 PM
i help and give then a shortcut, they can have california.  ;)
Title: Re: What is your opinion on Illegal Imigrants
Post by: twistedrcpilot on May 16, 2006, 01:39:23 PM
I say lets just take over mexico, make them all work and all pay taxes.  Then maybe we could handle the border between mexico and central america.

In 1848 the United States had that option. They waged a war against Mexico and occupied Mexico City. All the West Point grads that would be made famous later by the Civil War later, Grant, Lee, Jefferson Davis etc fought. They decided that trying to own Mexico was a bad idea then and I think that it still is. What the US kept was New Mexico,Arizona, California, Utah, Nevada. One of the overt goals of "La Reconquista" is to take it all back through the non military invasion that is going on now.

And the plan and invasion is going well;

1) trespass into the country
2) force an  amnesty
3) obtain citizenship and the right to vote
4) vote yourself a country  :(

Take or be taken.....
Title: Re: What is your opinion on Illegal Imigrants
Post by: VT-XS on May 16, 2006, 04:44:23 PM
Email US Senators

http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm


Email House of Reps

http://www.house.gov/writerep/
Title: Re: What is your opinion on Illegal Imigrants
Post by: Baren on May 17, 2006, 10:45:25 PM
Most illegals had good jobs in Mexico , but heard that stupid Americans would school their children ,give them free medical care and welfare.I wouldnt stay in m\Mexico either.....LOL
Title: Re: What is your opinion on Illegal Imigrants
Post by: bIgPrO on May 18, 2006, 05:46:57 AM
Now we have that debate in Houston City Council. Why are we using our money to fund an illegal activity?
100K to build structures for something that is illegal.. Go figure
Title: Re: What is your opinion on Illegal Imigrants
Post by: VT-XS on May 18, 2006, 06:04:51 AM
Most illegals had good jobs in Mexico , but heard that stupid Americans would school their children ,give them free medical care and welfare.I wouldnt stay in m\Mexico either.....LOL



http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/MEXICO_VOTE_OF_FEAR?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2006-05-17-06-12-44


I'm afraid I must respectfully disagree. Mexico is a country where about 99% people of the people live in the peasant class. There is a one percent (that may be slightly higher these days)  overlord class ("the 13 families") that has all the wealth and lives like royals with little if any regard for the rest.  Fox, to his credit, began his administration with the intent of building a middle class, but corruption, resistance by the ruling class, a burgeoning population and the "culture" are making that pretty much impossible.

I believe that Fox advocates illegal immigration to this country to keep many of these people from rioting in Mexico, because the prospects for a good life are so lousy there.

I feel for them, but turning over border states to them is not a responsibility that we have.
Title: Re: What is your opinion on Illegal Imigrants
Post by: VT-XS on May 18, 2006, 06:17:59 AM
Now we have that debate in Houston City Council. Why are we using our money to fund an illegal activity?
100K to build structures for something that is illegal.. Go figure


http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/3871530.html
Title: Re: What is your opinion on Illegal Imigrants
Post by: bIgPrO on May 18, 2006, 06:29:57 AM
this topic just pushed a hot button for me. I try to employ legal people every day. Some companies in this counrtry do not want to pay a descent price for laborers. Our company takes out all taxes, child support and we even pay for worers comp. which is not required in Texas. After all that some companies want a rate of $9.50 and hour! That is just a crock! How much can you pay a person after all taxes and have to pay workers comp to protect the worker!

Most illegals make from $7.00 - $9.00 an hour so companies actually save money using them instead of us. If a worker get hurt to bad and they do not have to pay taxes. A win for the company and the worker.

This whole thing chaps my @!@##$!#$^%^$%
Title: Re: What is your opinion on Illegal Imigrants
Post by: bIgPrO on May 21, 2006, 09:09:32 PM
Did anyone see the Day laborer bit tonight on 13? I guess they thought they were going to find something big. He was paid $40 CASH for his first job (4 hrs work) and $8.00 an hour for the second job he did for
8 hrs.

Hmmm... not bad for an ILLEGAL
Title: Re: What is your opinion on Illegal Imigrants
Post by: Baren on May 28, 2006, 06:42:46 PM
The illegals get everyting free when Americans go without medical care because they cant afford health insurance.Has this government lost its mind !
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