Texas X Riders
VTX Related Rides => North/Northeast Texas => Topic started by: studdog on October 17, 2006, 09:11:30 AM
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I ride the 1800C with HK Sideburners and Kuryakyn Hypercharger. I had Al Lamb hang the parts at the time of purchase. I'm wondering if anyone knows if they use a good map or there might be others out there that work better. No real problems with mine. I do get decel popping but I like the noise. Just wondering if anyone may have tweaked it up a little bit and might be worth a try.
I'm new to fuel injection and appreciate any input. Thanks
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Bare has some maps on his site that folks have sent to him. http://www.bareasschoppers.com
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Bare has some maps on his site that folks have sent to him. http://www.bareasschoppers.com
+1 on Bare's website.... You also may consider desmogging with the block off plates.... Should help with most of the decel popping.... O0
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Thanks fellas.
I had already checked out Bare's site and couldn't find quite the same components as mine. Maybe some day when I've got a little more money than sense, I'll get it on the dyno and get a custom map made. As I mentioned, the decel popping doesn't really bother me. In fact I've learned how to nudge the throttle just a little to increase the popping. I think it sounds kinda nasty and I dig it. By the way SouthernXer, I used to live in Allen. Nice town and some great twisties up in Collin County.
Thanks again. Hope to see ya'll in the wind one day.
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You did'nt mention what kind of fuel manager you have, or if you have one?
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Details, details...... I reckon it's probably a little too much to ask to get good advise AND a little mental telepathy too. Its th PCIII.
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btw, some pretty nice riding up your way too, Jam.
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I do like the country roads up here, been in this area 24 yrs and pretty much rode them all more than once :)
When I changed my pipes and intake I to had alot of popping, liked it for awhile but it got old quick.
Did a pc3 usb and custom map right off the bat and all I can tell ya is imo it's the only way to go. Cost more but my bike runs better than ever, gets better milage, alot smoother.
Jim
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Actually the mileage had me a little puzzled as well. I'm hitting around 32 and while I'm not having to choose between groceries and gasoline, I was a little surprised it wasn't a little more. If you don't mind my asking, what did the custom map cost. I'm thinking around 200.00 but I don't know if I actually heard that or it was a hallucination.
bj
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I think instead of getting the dyno done, I'll probably hold off and get the PC Addon. I forget what it's called, bit it has an o2 sensor and records data sothat you can make your own maps. Seems like I remember 500 bucks. 2 dyno runs and it will pay for itself.
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Actually I have the PCIII USB. According to the web site the o2 sensor is only required in California. By the way, the cost on the dynojet site is 369.00. But the price I was asking about is the cost to have someone create a custom map for it. I know performance shops with dynos will do that kind of work. Jam57 mentioned he had a custom map made as soon as he got the PC so I was wondering about the price for that. And who he had do it for that matter.
bj
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I'm fairly new to this but if you have a MAP sensor and an O2 sensor, why does the processor not control fuel trim automatically? Or is it not really a processor,but just has set parameters for certain rpm ranges? Could someone point me to a link explaining Honda fuel injection. I am riding a 1300 but my son has an 1800 that he's interested in increasing performance. As a Linc/Merc driveabilty tech, I'm familiar with fuel control, but you guys are speaking a different language. :-\ :-\ :-\
Thanks,POPS
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Not only am I new at it but I know far less than you, TexPops. I was looking at the product info for the PCIII USB and they actually have an online tutorial on how to use it. You can download it or watch it online. It still looks pretty foriegn to me but it sounds like you're probably a lot further down the road than I am and you would probably understand it.
http://www.powercommander.com/
There are links for software and tutorials. If it makes any sense to you, I'm eager to learn.
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only California bikes come with an o2 sensor from the factory. The only time you need to add one is if you are using a closed loop processor. When you use a closed loop processor you have no control over the computer, its a "closed loop". What the manufacturer of the processor has built in that is what you get, all controlled by the O2 sensor. So your bike is going to be set to run the way some guy in Frostbite Falls wants it to run.
With a PCIII USB, and a good tuner given the right info from the owner, your bike can be set up to run just the way you want it. You ask how can the milage be better, I told the tech that made my map what speed range I cruised at most of the time and he set that range up slightly lean, better milage.
The shop that did mine was Sabin Performance in Dallas, Does good work.
Jim
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Hey Jim~ Do you know anything about the DynoJet place in McKinney?
I was out fooling around looking for a good margarita the other night and noticed his shop in Downtown McKinney and was wondering....
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He is real good. He was one of the wrenches on the world record holdin roadstar warror. you can read his bio at www.metrictech.net. How have you been anyway? :) :)
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Look at the wideband commander. This is the one I was talking about. For the price of 2 dyno tunnings, you get the tools to build or tweek your own map. It comes with a a/f mix gauge. 549 isn't a bad price. If it wasn't for the recording feature, I'd build my own.
http://www.widebandcommander.com/
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only California bikes come with an o2 sensor from the factory. The only time you need to add one is if you are using a closed loop processor. When you use a closed loop processor you have no control over the computer, its a "closed loop". What the manufacturer of the processor has built in that is what you get, all controlled by the O2 sensor. So your bike is going to be set to run the way some guy in Frostbite Falls wants it to run.
With a PCIII USB, and a good tuner given the right info from the owner, your bike can be set up to run just the way you want it. You ask how can the milage be better, I told the tech that made my map what speed range I cruised at most of the time and he set that range up slightly lean, better milage.
The shop that did mine was Sabin Performance in Dallas, Does good work.
Jim
Actually, "closed loop" means that the ECU is getting info from intake and exhaust and is constanly adjusting fuel mixture according to demand. Hence, the "closed loop"--as opposed to "open loop" with just one end of input. Either system can have parameters established as to the range of response. Personally, I would love to have a closed loop system available for bikes because you could add any aftermarket parts you wanted and never have to fool with it (as long as injectors and fuel pump were physically capable of providing necessary fuel requirements) What we've got now is basically an electronic carbeurator, and a pretty primitive one at that. The only inputs are throttle position, rpm and a basic baro for low speed ops. Give me a mass air flow and Hego sys and never have to worry about it. As it is, it's all trial and error.
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Near as I can tell, there are many wise VTX riders. Me being the notable exception. Jim, it was Sabin I was thinking of. I'm thinking my riding habits are pretty well established by now and I have read some about them and all good reports. I believe they can giterdone. What kind of price tag on the custom map?
bj
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He is real good. He was one of the wrenches on the world record holdin roadstar warror. you can read his bio at www.metrictech.net. How have you been anyway? :) :)
Thanks! I've been good but busy with work.... I'll probably take mine up there to him and let him have a look see if there is anything else he can eek out of mine. More Power....argh argh argh!!!!! ;D
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Brad, you won't be disappointed. There are several Honda dealers that send stuff to him that they can't seem to fix, imagine that, won't go any farther there. He is very good and really cares about his work and your ride.
studdog, I can't remember what Sabin charges for a custom map alone, I do know that if you buy a PCIII from him he will install it and dyno/ map for $200. I would just call him and ask. You will probably have to leave a message, they stay pretty busy. Best time to call is about 10:30 or just alittle later.
Jim