OK Joe. I have worked up several different routes for this ride with different miles. The route posted above is about 165 miles depending on where we start. If we go this route I'm thinking we can start at Helotes at one of the convenience stores. The only thing I don't like about this route is the long sort of boring ride on Hwy 90 from Sabinal to San Antonio. We can change the route a little to make it more scenic if a little longer ride is OK with everyone. We can make the final decisions tomorrow night at the M/G. See ya there.